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Kibitokai vs Fat Buu
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SSVegito	Aug 31 2010, 12:53 AM Post #1
Posts: 52 Group: Member Member #5,195 Joined: August 29, 2010 Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga 0	who would win?



+ Pyrus	Aug 31 2010, 02:02 AM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The fat Boo would definitely win. Kibitokai seemed really weak. Stronger maybe than the SSjin 2s, but not up on the fat Boo's level.
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Super Goku	Aug 31 2010, 03:00 AM Post #3
Vizard Jinchurikii Posts: 966 Group: Member Member #4,266 Joined: June 26, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Naruto	Kibito's power level was never established, really, first off. It was said that any of the kais could fell Freeza in one blow, but its not clear if they meant final form freeza, or first form. huge difference. I'll assume East Kai was referencing final form (I mean, he knew about SSJ goku fighting him. He wouldn't have thought that he was fighting FIRST FORM.) That might put east kai around, androids level? It's totally impossible to pinpoint, but I'll say he's android 16 level. just for the sake of this argument. Kibito was sort of his body guard, I always though. But, he was weaker than dabra. So he was weaker than perfect Cell. I would say, Semi-perfect Cell at most. so base form Goku and base form Vegeta fused together to make Vegito, who then went SSJ and pwned Boohan. I'm not sure how strong base form goku & vegeta were in the boo saga, but I think it couldn't have been stronger than the androids. No way. They would've had to increase their base PL atleast 50x to stand a chance to someone that strong. So if east kai and kibito are that much stronger than the base forms of warriors who created the super fusion known as Vegeto... I don't see why Kibitokai wouldn't be like, Vegeto (base) level. Even if they were both even with Final form freeza; freeza's PL is much higher than any base form saiyan. No doubt. All I'm saying is that LOGICALLY, kibitokai should've been like, atleast base Vegeto level. And is base Vegeto strong enough to beat Fat Boo? Is Base Vegeto equal to SSJ3 Goku? IDK I'd give the fight to Fat Boo anyways, because he's creative, he doesn't run out of chi or stamina, he regenerates, he's pretty damn evil.. he's pretty strong.. strong enough to fight a potara fusion? I DUNNO I just dunno.
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Ussj Future Trunks	Aug 31 2010, 06:07 AM Post #4
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Nusu	Aug 31 2010, 06:29 AM Post #5
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr. Posts: 5,541 Group: Member Member #4,999 Joined: July 1, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, Yu-Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, One Piece, Death Note, Yu-Yu Hakusho	Intressting, Well, Can we say he can take out Cell with one blow now? I don´t think he can´t win against Fat Buu, Or he would´ve helped against Kid Buu who wasn´t much far away of Fat Buu´s PL.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 31 2010, 10:45 PM Post #6
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Super Goku Aug 31 2010, 03:00 AM Kibito's power level was never established, really, first off. It was said that any of the kais could fell Freeza in one blow, but its not clear if they meant final form freeza, or first form. huge difference. I'll assume East Kai was referencing final form (I mean, he knew about SSJ goku fighting him. He wouldn't have thought that he was fighting FIRST FORM.) That might put east kai around, androids level? It's totally impossible to pinpoint, but I'll say he's android 16 level. just for the sake of this argument. Kibito was sort of his body guard, I always though. But, he was weaker than dabra. So he was weaker than perfect Cell. I would say, Semi-perfect Cell at most. so base form Goku and base form Vegeta fused together to make Vegito, who then went SSJ and pwned Boohan. I'm not sure how strong base form goku & vegeta were in the boo saga, but I think it couldn't have been stronger than the androids. No way. They would've had to increase their base PL atleast 50x to stand a chance to someone that strong. So if east kai and kibito are that much stronger than the base forms of warriors who created the super fusion known as Vegeto... I don't see why Kibitokai wouldn't be like, Vegeto (base) level. Even if they were both even with Final form freeza; freeza's PL is much higher than any base form saiyan. No doubt. All I'm saying is that LOGICALLY, kibitokai should've been like, atleast base Vegeto level. And is base Vegeto strong enough to beat Fat Boo? Is Base Vegeto equal to SSJ3 Goku? IDK I'd give the fight to Fat Boo anyways, because he's creative, he doesn't run out of chi or stamina, he regenerates, he's pretty damn evil.. he's pretty strong.. strong enough to fight a potara fusion? I DUNNO I just dunno. The strength of the Base Saiyans is debatable, so it's up to opinion. Kaioshin's strength is superior to Piccolo's, stated by Piccolo himself and shown in the Daiz. Piccolo's already leagues ahead of the Cyborgs, so yeah. Kibito is Kaioshin's servant, not his bodyguard. I used to think that too before I read his Daiz profile. You might be right that logically Kibitokai should have been around Base Vegetto in strength, but there's a few things wrong with that. First, we never see Base Vegetto fight and thus we never get a strength rating. Second, it's debatable whether or not Kaioshin was as strong or stronger than the Base Saiyans (it's not debatable about Kibito because the Daiz says that he could only give Base Gohan a good fight). And lastly, everyone was surprised at how strong Vegetto was, not to mention he got a rivalry boost. Nobody really crapped themselves about Kibitokai's power, at least not that I remember, and nothing was said about them having a rivalry so it wouldn't factor into their fusion.
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~~Y2J~~	Sep 1 2010, 06:49 AM Post #7
Posts: 97 Group: Suspended Member #5,060 Joined: July 24, 2010 Favourite Anime DBZ	I'll put it this way. If Goten and Trunks in the Buu saga can use the fusion dance to create a being strong enough to take on Super Buu then I'm inclined to beleive that Kibito and Kaioshin who are both stronger than Goten and Trunks as individuals would be able to increase their power by leaps and bounds, especially considering the Portara fusion was stated to be stronger than the fusion dance.



+ Pyrus	Sep 1 2010, 07:04 AM Post #8
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Y2J Sep 1 2010, 06:49 AM I'll put it this way. If Goten and Trunks in the Buu saga can use the fusion dance to create a being strong enough to take on Super Buu then I'm inclined to beleive that Kibito and Kaioshin who are both stronger than Goten and Trunks as individuals would be able to increase their power by leaps and bounds, especially considering the Portara fusion was stated to be stronger than the fusion dance. Yeah, but Kibitokai was told to stay out of the Kid Boo fight because he'd only get in the way, while Gotenks was suggested by Goku to come help them. So it would seem that not even the Potara fusion is enough to make Kibitokai strong enough to fight with the big dogs.
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~~Y2J~~	Sep 2 2010, 07:11 AM Post #9
Posts: 97 Group: Suspended Member #5,060 Joined: July 24, 2010 Favourite Anime DBZ	^ You're right but I think it's a plothole, logically two weaker people using the fusion dance should be weaker than two people(who are both individualy stronger than the first two) using the portara earings. Gotenks > Kibitokai, but going by logic it should've been Kibitokai > Gotenks.



Huo Yuanjia	Mar 2 2012, 04:50 PM Post #10
Posts: 14 Group: New Member Member #7,239 Joined: January 26, 2012	Look guys how this goes. Kibitokai is almost in par with SS3 Goku. The reasons why is that are these: Kibito is much stronger normal Goten because it was mentioned that Kibito's power level was as much as to give normal Gohan a difficult fight. And normal Gohan is much stronger than normal goten. So is Kibito then right? Now, Supreme kai is far far stronger than normal trunks because piccolo said that that supreme kai's power is far beyond his own and piccolo is much stronger than trunks no doubt. So a stronger-than-Goten Kibito fuses with a much-stronger-than-Trunks Supreme kai to create a much stronger than Gotenks (Pre) Kibitokai. Right? And SS3 Goku is also much stronger than Gotenks (Pre) because he was able to beat fat buu hard whereas gotenks (pre) received a sound beating. Only as a Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre) would quite possibly equalize his power with SS3 Goku or Kibitokai. So technically this puts Kibitokai in a level somewhat stronger than Super Gotenks (pre) but possibly a bit lower than SS3 Goku. Either way or the other, this power level is higher than Fat Buu's so Kibitokai prevails over Fat Buu but not as efficiently as SS3 Goku would. That's because it shouldn't be forgotten that kibitokai is a fusion of a not-so-fighting characters with mediocre fighting experience and techniques, whereas Goku is a fighting machine a hero who countless times proved stronger than the foes he faced!



~~Cocoman~~	Mar 2 2012, 04:55 PM Post #11
Badabing! Posts: 1,913 Group: Suspended Member #5,983 Joined: April 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	Huo Yuanjia Mar 2 2012, 04:50 PM Look guys how this goes. Kibitokai is almost in par with SS3 Goku. The reasons why is that are these: Kibito is much stronger normal Goten because it was mentioned that Kibito's power level was as much as to give normal Gohan a difficult fight. And normal Gohan is much stronger than normal goten. So is Kibito then right? Now, Supreme kai is far far stronger than normal trunks because piccolo said that that supreme kai's power is far beyond his own and piccolo is much stronger than trunks no doubt. So a stronger-than-Goten Kibito fuses with a much-stronger-than-Trunks Supreme kai to create a much stronger than Gotenks (Pre) Kibitokai. Right? And SS3 Goku is also much stronger than Gotenks (Pre) because he was able to beat fat buu hard whereas gotenks (pre) received a sound beating. Only as a Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre) would quite possibly equalize his power with SS3 Goku or Kibitokai. So technically this puts Kibitokai in a level somewhat stronger than Super Gotenks (pre) but possibly a bit lower than SS3 Goku. Either way or the other, this power level is higher than Fat Buu's so Kibitokai prevails over Fat Buu but not as efficiently as SS3 Goku would. That's because it shouldn't be forgotten that kibitokai is a fusion of a not-so-fighting characters with mediocre fighting experience and techniques, whereas Goku is a fighting machine a hero who countless times proved stronger than the foes he faced! Can't tell if serious? Base Gohan~base Goten>>>>>>>>Kibito. Edited by Cocoman, Mar 2 2012, 04:56 PM.
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+ Clearin	Mar 2 2012, 05:05 PM Post #12
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Cocoman Mar 2 2012, 04:55 PM Huo Yuanjia Mar 2 2012, 04:50 PM Look guys how this goes. Kibitokai is almost in par with SS3 Goku. The reasons why is that are these: Kibito is much stronger normal Goten because it was mentioned that Kibito's power level was as much as to give normal Gohan a difficult fight. And normal Gohan is much stronger than normal goten. So is Kibito then right? Now, Supreme kai is far far stronger than normal trunks because piccolo said that that supreme kai's power is far beyond his own and piccolo is much stronger than trunks no doubt. So a stronger-than-Goten Kibito fuses with a much-stronger-than-Trunks Supreme kai to create a much stronger than Gotenks (Pre) Kibitokai. Right? And SS3 Goku is also much stronger than Gotenks (Pre) because he was able to beat fat buu hard whereas gotenks (pre) received a sound beating. Only as a Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre) would quite possibly equalize his power with SS3 Goku or Kibitokai. So technically this puts Kibitokai in a level somewhat stronger than Super Gotenks (pre) but possibly a bit lower than SS3 Goku. Either way or the other, this power level is higher than Fat Buu's so Kibitokai prevails over Fat Buu but not as efficiently as SS3 Goku would. That's because it shouldn't be forgotten that kibitokai is a fusion of a not-so-fighting characters with mediocre fighting experience and techniques, whereas Goku is a fighting machine a hero who countless times proved stronger than the foes he faced! Can't tell if serious? Base Gohan~base Goten>>>>>>>>Kibito. Gohan said he couldn't win in his base form and Daiz 7 says he would give base Gohan a difficult fight.



~~Cocoman~~	Mar 2 2012, 05:40 PM Post #13
Badabing! Posts: 1,913 Group: Suspended Member #5,983 Joined: April 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	Teen GohanZ Mar 2 2012, 05:05 PM Cocoman Mar 2 2012, 04:55 PM Huo Yuanjia Mar 2 2012, 04:50 PM Look guys how this goes. Kibitokai is almost in par with SS3 Goku. The reasons why is that are these: Kibito is much stronger normal Goten because it was mentioned that Kibito's power level was as much as to give normal Gohan a difficult fight. And normal Gohan is much stronger than normal goten. So is Kibito then right? Now, Supreme kai is far far stronger than normal trunks because piccolo said that that supreme kai's power is far beyond his own and piccolo is much stronger than trunks no doubt. So a stronger-than-Goten Kibito fuses with a much-stronger-than-Trunks Supreme kai to create a much stronger than Gotenks (Pre) Kibitokai. Right? And SS3 Goku is also much stronger than Gotenks (Pre) because he was able to beat fat buu hard whereas gotenks (pre) received a sound beating. Only as a Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre) would quite possibly equalize his power with SS3 Goku or Kibitokai. So technically this puts Kibitokai in a level somewhat stronger than Super Gotenks (pre) but possibly a bit lower than SS3 Goku. Either way or the other, this power level is higher than Fat Buu's so Kibitokai prevails over Fat Buu but not as efficiently as SS3 Goku would. That's because it shouldn't be forgotten that kibitokai is a fusion of a not-so-fighting characters with mediocre fighting experience and techniques, whereas Goku is a fighting machine a hero who countless times proved stronger than the foes he faced! Can't tell if serious? Base Gohan~base Goten>>>>>>>>Kibito. Gohan said he couldn't win in his base form and Daiz 7 says he would give base Gohan a difficult fight. No he doesn't; Gohan: “Man, this is a predicament. Bulma told me that if people found out my true power, there'd be a big commotion and it'd become hard for me to go to school anywhere. That's why I disguised myself, but...He doesn’t seem like an opponent that I can beat while suitably covering up [my true power].” Note: That last sentence is one of those that’s kinda hard to translate literally. “Covering up” (gomakasu) is in the sense of faking it or deceiving someone, not simply in the sense of wearing a disguise, and in context he's almost certainly talking about covering up his true power (since that's what he mentions disguising himself in order to prevent people from finding out about). So essentially, Gohan doesn’t think he can win while still covering up his actual power. Hence Viz’s ‘by accident’ being in quotation marks: they mean the sort of thing Shen did, hiding his power by making it look like he won by pure accident. So I can see what Viz was going for with their translation, but I think it is kinda confusing. He just says that he can't win while covering up his super-human abilities. Base Gohan>>>>>Kibito as shown by the Z sword scene. Nuff' said. Do you think SSjin2 Vegeta>SSjin Gotenks (pre)? Because although the manga contradicts it, the Daizenshuu does say it after all. edit: Huo, stop pm'ing me. Just post here. Edited by Cocoman, Mar 2 2012, 05:40 PM.
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+ Clearin	Mar 2 2012, 05:51 PM Post #14
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Meh, Well I don't exactly 100% agree with the line meaning that, but I can definitely see how it could be. I didn't even realize this was an old topic. Anyway I think Kibitokai would win.



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Mar 3 2012, 01:40 AM Post #15
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Anyone saying that if Kibito and Supreme Kai are stronger than Goten and Trunks who fused to fight Super Boo, you forget that Gotenks had to go SSJ3 and train in the ROSAT. Most likely,: SSJ3 Gotenks>>SSJ Gotenks (Post ROSAT)>/=SSJ3 Goku>/=Fat Boo>/=Kibitokai>/=SSJ Gotenks (post ROSAT)>Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) So IMO, Kibitokai has the slight power advantage, but Boo just has more abilities (regeneration and elasticity for example) that he would most likely win.



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